JAN 26th Light Snowfall

by **Frank_Wx** Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:08 am

The potential for a winter storm and measurable snowfall is increasing for late Monday into Tuesday of next week.

JAN 26th Light Snowfall GFS-1

The set-up is interesting in that the Pacific is burying all of the energy in the SW CONUS (-PNA), but the west-based -NAO and dip in the jet stream over New England is preventing the SE Ridge from gaining too much longitude along the east coast. One of the pieces of energy in the SW CONUS is able to escape the 'mega' trough and eject into the mid-section of the country. This energy matures into a low pressure system that ends up tracking virtually west to east across the country. The big question being, exactly how far north does this system get? Some models have the energy not gaining longitude and staying to our south, while others showing it getting far enough north to impact our area with precipitation.

JAN 26th Light Snowfall GFS-2

The 06z GFS tracked the low pressure almost perfectly for snow lovers across NNJ/NYC Metro. In this image, you can see the low made it as far north as Ohio. What's important to take away is not just the location of the low, but the dark blue shades indicate the GFS has trended a lot stronger with the storm. At one point getting down to 995mb before transferring its energy off the coast. The gradient, or baroclinic zone, contains the best mechanics and is where the heaviest snow will fall if you are just north-northwest of it.

JAN 26th Light Snowfall GFS-3

A clearer look at 850mb shows how the polar jet stream is essentially forced to dip over New England due to the -NAO. This is why a sharp cut-off of snow accumulation is likely for areas north-northwest of NYC, because the low pressure ends up transferring energy off the coast.

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JAN 26th Light Snowfall Gfs_z500_vort_eus_18

The H5 vorticity extends all the way back to the SW CONUS, which is where this storm originated from. A strong piece of it tracks directly over our area on the latest GFS. The heaviest accumulations are seen west all the way to SW NY and northern PA because the initial forcing or WAA's are north of us. However, if the primary low on the GFS took a track a little more south, we would have been hit with the best banding of snow. This is a big uncertainty right now.

JAN 26th Light Snowfall Gfs_asnow_neus_20

JAN 26th Light Snowfall Gfs_asnow_neus_20

It is also worth mentioning that we're not under the coldest of air masses. This will be an issue for the shore points and central/southern NJ, unless the primary low follows a path way south from where the GFS has it currently. That is still on the table (southern slider) if the confluence over New England trends stronger or the energy associated with the primary low trends weaker. However, as you saw the GFS is trending stronger with the low. So things would have to change over the next 48 hours for that solution to come to fruition.

by **algae888** Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:53 pm

One thing I didn't like on guidance today was the very dry air in place which delayed the onset of precipitation from 7:00 p.m. Monday to 1:00 a.m. Tuesday. The persistent pattern has been shearing out of systems due to the confluence to our North With the 5050 low and the negative nao. Like our chances for a light to moderate event 2 to 6" seems a good call at this time. Western ateas probably seeing the heaviest snow.

by **billg315** Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:05 pm

Great write-up Frank.

Always funny to see the dance the models do. Early in the week the GFS didn't look great and the Euro did, last night and this morning was sort of the opposite (btw, anyone else having trouble with the latest Euro runs?). That said, the way things have been going I'll take a good 2-6" event and hope it sets the table for the end of the week threats. If this takes the "perfect" track -- and where you are will determine what you consider to be the "perfect" track -- and "over-performs" and we get more than 6", all the merrier.

by **amugs** Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:40 pm

EURO just shears out the storm as Al referenced to a worry at this time.

JAN 26th Light Snowfall Ecmwf-deterministic-ne-t850_mslp_prcp6hr-1727200.png.e8f9b5cf96faca6e04702e0a5b700e6c

JAN 26th Light Snowfall Ecmwf-deterministic-ne-t850_mslp_prcp6hr-1727200.png.e8f9b5cf96faca6e04702e0a5b700e6c

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by **sroc4** Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:49 pm

amugs wrote:EURO just shears out the storm as Al referenced to a worry at this time.

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I think its more the subsidence created as the primary low begins to transfer off the coast. In between lows you get the dreaded subsidence due to relative HP in between.

by **heehaw453** Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:58 pm

How far the WAA initial thump gets may determine if 6" is obtainable. I think the models will bounce around with that idea for a bit, but today's runs definitely see less WAA precip. Fairly impressive moisture fetch into the Atlantic, so I'm not buying drier solutions just yet.

by **Irish** Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:21 pm

The last runs seem to have favored a later start and mixing on Tuesday. Therefore, dropping totals from 4-8 down to 2-6.

by **sroc4** Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:32 pm

Irish wrote:The last runs seem to have favored a later start and mixing on Tuesday. Therefore, dropping totals from 4-8 down to 2-6.

I think it may be more of a drop in QPF vs mixing thats dropping totals for your area

by **billg315** Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:50 pm

I'm going to go into this system with a healthy dose of skepticism for anything above the 2-6" that Algae referenced above, sticking to my 2-4" as most likely. I just don't feel like this type of setup with all the variables, (subsidence, mixing, fast moving) ever produces for us like a classic coastal storm. Again though, to reiterate what I said above, I'll be quite happy with a 2-6" snowfall as it is nothing sneeze at.
Btw, if NYC gets 4" (take the middle) I believe they'll be above normal for the period Dec. through the end of January? No?

by **heehaw453** Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:07 pm

billg315 wrote:I'm going to go into this system with a healthy dose of skepticism for anything above the 2-6" that Algae referenced above, sticking to my 2-4" as most likely. I just don't feel like this type of setup with all the variables, (subsidence, mixing, fast moving) ever produces for us like a classic coastal storm. Again though, to reiterate what I said above, I'll be quite happy with a 2-6" snowfall as it is nothing sneeze at.
Btw, if NYC gets 4" (take the middle) I believe they'll be above normal for the period Dec. through the end of January? No?

Yep. That'd put them close to 15" if they got 4". Considering February is the snowiest month for CPK they'd be near normal snowfall. For many of us February and March will need to produce to have any legit shot at normal snowfall...

by **heehaw453** Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:48 pm

The 18Z GEFS is wetter than 12Z. Probably a touch warmer too. Again the initial WAA and the location and efficiency of the handoff will really play a large role in who gets what.

This just does not look to me as a dry system with that Atlantic fetch.

by **Irish** Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:55 pm

Predictions for my area are back up to 4-8 inches. The latest runs must be better.

by **Frank_Wx** Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:05 am

Models are not enthused at the moment. They’re showing a light snowfall with some mixing in southern portions of our area. At this time, this is looking like a 1-3 inch event, possibly 2-4 N&W of NYC. The energy is being sheared out and that could be due to the bigger storm that is looming for the 28th

by **heehaw453** Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:06 am

Mt Holly seems to be thinking around 2" now. Based on the latest guidance this seems reasonable to me. 2-3" modest event for now...

by **amugs** Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:12 am

Nice little appetizer to what could be a bigger storm and the one behind it to open up February as well.

by **heehaw453** Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:15 am

Irish wrote:Predictions for my area are back up to 4-8 inches. The latest runs must be better.

The GEFS dried up last several runs. You'll probably see WTC back down as they weigh heavily on the GFS for their forecasts.

by **Irish** Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:34 am

heehaw453 wrote:
Irish wrote:Predictions for my area are back up to 4-8 inches. The latest runs must be better.

The GEFS dried up last several runs. You'll probably see WTC back down as they weigh heavily on the GFS for their forecasts.

They have, down to a 2-4 event. And they've started to post initial accumulation predictions for the 28th.

by **sroc4** Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:02 am

Frank_Wx wrote:Models are not enthused at the moment. They’re showing a light snowfall with some mixing in southern portions of our area. At this time, this is looking like a 1-3 inch event, possibly 2-4 N&W of NYC. The energy is being sheared out and that could be due to the bigger storm that is looming for the 28th

Great point. Models that were more robust with the moisture into the area a few days ago no longer have any sort of consolidation of energy. Its evolved into one long strung out wave as it traverses the plains and into the eastern 1/3rd of the country, thus greatly reducing the vertical lift mechanisms hence the drastic drop in QPF. Put another way wave spacing is less than ideal between the Tuesday threat and the Thursday threat. The overall pattern and strength of the blocking being a major contributing factor as to why. Nothing too surprising in the end as this threat was always a minor to mod event ceiling anyway with the idea that shearing of this energy was a distinct possibility. We are still 48-72 hrs out so Ill certainly cont to monitor for subtle changes to the governing dynamics of this threat and changes to QPF but certainly the trends have been to dry it out.

sroc4 wrote:
billg315 wrote:Euro seems overly aggressive on snowfall totals for this type of event, and the GFS is maybe underplaying a bit. So I think a happy medium right now of a few inches before a changeover is the best takeaway at this time. Now areas north of NYC metro and far NW NJ -- where the cold air will be even more entrenched, could perform better on the snow end. Again, assuming the models hold for the next 6 days.

We shall see Bill. Im not convinced a changeover is the concern here. With the -NAO and -AO firmly entrenched in the pattern I think a sheared out system like GFS depicts, or a system that slides south is more the concern. PNA looks to be strongly neg, and the EPO is meh as we round out the weekend. Nothing to allow nothern energy to dig, and I doubt the southern energy is amplified enough to raise heights out ahead due to the strong blocking in place, therefore IMHO of course it either works out perfect with little to no change over, esp the further off the coast, or nothing much at all. But again its all in the Md to LR at the moment so nothing to get excited/worried about for now anyway.

Meet you in the pool of cautious optimism for a cocktail for the 12z runs.

CURRENT CMC

CMC from several days ago

by **billg315** Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:06 am

I’ve said all along I felt this as a 2-4 type event. I think that is shaping up. Now I will point out, 2-4” events can have bigger impacts depending on timing. If this hits right before rush hour starts Tuesday AM it could create headaches. Heck we had almost 1” of snow here Wednesday AM and the unplowed roads with hills were tough to navigate.

by **Frank_Wx** Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:09 am

sroc4 wrote:
Frank_Wx wrote:Models are not enthused at the moment. They’re showing a light snowfall with some mixing in southern portions of our area. At this time, this is looking like a 1-3 inch event, possibly 2-4 N&W of NYC. The energy is being sheared out and that could be due to the bigger storm that is looming for the 28th

Great point. Models that were more robust with the moisture into the area a few days ago no longer have any sort of consolidation of energy. Its evolved into one long strung out wave as it traverses the plains and into the eastern 1/3rd of the country, thus greatly reducing the vertical lift mechanisms hence the drastic drop in QPF. Put another way wave spacing is less than ideal between the Tuesday threat and the Thursday threat. The overall pattern and strength of the blocking being a major contributing factor as to why. Nothing too surprising in the end as this threat was always a minor to mod event ceiling anyway with the idea that shearing of this energy was a distinct possibility. We are still 48-72 hrs out so Ill certainly cont to monitor for subtle changes to the governing dynamics of this threat and changes to QPF but certainly the trends have been to dry it out.

sroc4 wrote:
billg315 wrote:Euro seems overly aggressive on snowfall totals for this type of event, and the GFS is maybe underplaying a bit. So I think a happy medium right now of a few inches before a changeover is the best takeaway at this time. Now areas north of NYC metro and far NW NJ -- where the cold air will be even more entrenched, could perform better on the snow end. Again, assuming the models hold for the next 6 days.

We shall see Bill. Im not convinced a changeover is the concern here. With the -NAO and -AO firmly entrenched in the pattern I think a sheared out system like GFS depicts, or a system that slides south is more the concern. PNA looks to be strongly neg, and the EPO is meh as we round out the weekend. Nothing to allow nothern energy to dig, and I doubt the southern energy is amplified enough to raise heights out ahead due to the strong blocking in place, therefore IMHO of course it either works out perfect with little to no change over, esp the further off the coast, or nothing much at all. But again its all in the Md to LR at the moment so nothing to get excited/worried about for now anyway.

Meet you in the pool of cautious optimism for a cocktail for the 12z runs.

CURRENT CMC

CMC from several days ago

Yup. If this means bigger storm two days later I’ll take the trade

by **sroc4** Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:10 am

Frank_Wx wrote:
sroc4 wrote:
Frank_Wx wrote:Models are not enthused at the moment. They’re showing a light snowfall with some mixing in southern portions of our area. At this time, this is looking like a 1-3 inch event, possibly 2-4 N&W of NYC. The energy is being sheared out and that could be due to the bigger storm that is looming for the 28th

Great point. Models that were more robust with the moisture into the area a few days ago no longer have any sort of consolidation of energy. Its evolved into one long strung out wave as it traverses the plains and into the eastern 1/3rd of the country, thus greatly reducing the vertical lift mechanisms hence the drastic drop in QPF. Put another way wave spacing is less than ideal between the Tuesday threat and the Thursday threat. The overall pattern and strength of the blocking being a major contributing factor as to why. Nothing too surprising in the end as this threat was always a minor to mod event ceiling anyway with the idea that shearing of this energy was a distinct possibility. We are still 48-72 hrs out so Ill certainly cont to monitor for subtle changes to the governing dynamics of this threat and changes to QPF but certainly the trends have been to dry it out.

sroc4 wrote:
billg315 wrote:Euro seems overly aggressive on snowfall totals for this type of event, and the GFS is maybe underplaying a bit. So I think a happy medium right now of a few inches before a changeover is the best takeaway at this time. Now areas north of NYC metro and far NW NJ -- where the cold air will be even more entrenched, could perform better on the snow end. Again, assuming the models hold for the next 6 days.

We shall see Bill. Im not convinced a changeover is the concern here. With the -NAO and -AO firmly entrenched in the pattern I think a sheared out system like GFS depicts, or a system that slides south is more the concern. PNA looks to be strongly neg, and the EPO is meh as we round out the weekend. Nothing to allow nothern energy to dig, and I doubt the southern energy is amplified enough to raise heights out ahead due to the strong blocking in place, therefore IMHO of course it either works out perfect with little to no change over, esp the further off the coast, or nothing much at all. But again its all in the Md to LR at the moment so nothing to get excited/worried about for now anyway.

Meet you in the pool of cautious optimism for a cocktail for the 12z runs.

CURRENT CMC

CMC from several days ago

Yup. If this means bigger storm two days later I’ll take the trade

Totally!

by **billg315** Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:13 am

The big issue with the 2-4” events is most people don’t take them too seriously. But if it starts at, say 2 AM, it doesn’t get to a plowable amount until 7 or 8 after traffic is on the roads, meaning the major roads go unplowed. 3 or 4” especially on hills can cause serious traction issues, then spin outs, then accidents, then closed lanes, then angry people sitting in a traffic jam with snow falling on their car. See the November 2018 storm as an example of how a little moderate snow at the wrong time can cause big problems. By the time 3” had fallen that afternoon the roads were already gridlock.

by **heehaw453** Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:35 pm

How deep these kinks form on the long wave probably determines if anyone can see over 3" on this event. A slight disturbance in a swfe wave can have big effects on precip enhancement. I won't be shocked to see some folks do better than expected.

by **jmanley32** Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:16 pm

billg315 wrote:The big issue with the 2-4” events is most people don’t take them too seriously. But if it starts at, say 2 AM, it doesn’t get to a plowable amount until 7 or 8 after traffic is on the roads, meaning the major roads go unplowed. 3 or 4” especially on hills can cause serious traction issues, then spin outs, then accidents, then closed lanes, then angry people sitting in a traffic jam with snow falling on their car. See the November 2018 storm as an example of how a little moderate snow at the wrong time can cause big problems. By the time 3” had fallen that afternoon the roads were already gridlock.

Do not mention though worst storm ever in yonkers history. 18 hrs wife spent sitting in yonkers. Aweful, but they learned, i saw brine down yesterday which made no sense to me.

by **heehaw453** Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:41 pm

The 50/50 low is pulling out and that is probably letting this ULL get much further north than originally thought. My guess is the thermal profile is going to be marginal and the best forcing is going to be north. The models have been very consistent with showing this inexorable push northward. NEPA, LHV and NW NJ may be the ones to do well with this one...

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