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Post by Frank_Wx Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:00 am

Snow88 wrote:Starting to look better by Turkey Day

ftp://ftp.cdc.noaa.gov/Public/gbates/reforecast2/teleconn/4panel.png

I do not trust those charts. But it does look like there may be slightly more ridging in the northeast Pacific.

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Post by amugs Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:05 am

Winter Outlook - very and I mean very thorough write up - for SNE but noneltheless makes great points that has been the theme by many so far this winter - two halves - second half we surge and kick some arse!!

http://easternmassweather.blogspot.com/

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Post by amugs Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:06 am

JMAN or Hurricane Man for you next summer - HAHAHA!!

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Post by skinsfan1177 Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:50 am

amugs wrote:Winter Outlook - very and I mean very thorough write up - for SNE but noneltheless makes great points that has been the theme by many so far this winter - two halves - second half we surge and kick some arse!!

http://easternmassweather.blogspot.com/

In depth for sure great read I pretty much read what he thinks for us seems to be on track with what we discuss here
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Post by amugs Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:45 pm

skinsfan1177 wrote:
amugs wrote:Winter Outlook - very and I mean very thorough write up - for SNE but noneltheless makes great points that has been the theme by many so far this winter - two halves - second half we surge and kick some arse!!

http://easternmassweather.blogspot.com/

In depth for sure great read I pretty much read what he thinks for us seems to be on track with what we discuss here

Yes and very good signs - he is a bright and respected weather enthusiast. Lots of great information and when he is wrong he is the first to admit it. Got to love that!

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Post by amugs Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:45 pm

This is a nice look -

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Post by algae888 Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:16 pm

Well if the Euro 10 day ensemble mean is correct then the EPO is definitely going to become negative which should allow colder air to come into the US. How far east does it get will depend on the La Nina type ridge over the southeast. If that ridge breaks down or moves east then we can expect colder than normal temperatures around Thanksgiving
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Post by amugs Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:19 pm

This is the putrid pattern before what Al and Tony posted about the epo going negative - BITE ME!! We'll be breaking out the shorts with this one - record breaking second Indian Summer incoming!

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Post by algae888 Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:30 pm

If anyone wants to see snow they should head out to the Central Plains next week as there will be up to 3 snow events for them. Places as far south as the Texas Panhandle will see snow. The last system could bring snow as far east as the eastern Great Lakes but as I posted above the cold air is going to have a hard time getting anywhere close to us until around Thanksgiving.
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Post by chief7 Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:05 pm

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/weather/stories/Long-Range-Winter-Forecast-Glenn-Hurricane-Schwartz-2015-346882392.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_PHBrand

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Post by sroc4 Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:22 pm

amugs wrote:Winter Outlook - very and I mean very thorough write up - for SNE but noneltheless makes great points that has been the theme by many so far this winter - two halves - second half we surge and kick some arse!!

http://easternmassweather.blogspot.com/

My favorite quote in the entire write up..."The atmosphere is nothing but a sea of chaos that mankind is only now beginning to try to, kind of, sort of retain some semblance of an inkling as to how it operates. Please wrap your mind around that fact before ogling any winter outlook." Its a good mantra

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Post by nutleyblizzard Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:14 pm

skinsfan1177 wrote:
amugs wrote:Winter Outlook - very and I mean very thorough write up - for SNE but noneltheless makes great points that has been the theme by many so far this winter - two halves - second half we surge and kick some arse!!

http://easternmassweather.blogspot.com/

In depth for sure great read I pretty much read what he thinks for us seems to be on track with what we discuss here
Very good read although I think his forecast for NY and Philly snow totals of 30-40'' are too low. If you go by the summer to winter AO/NAO couplet, I believe they will tank come the new year. With a strong sub tropical jet already in place... well you get the idea.I would increase snow totals upward 50%.
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Post by amugs Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:47 pm

nutleyblizzard wrote:
skinsfan1177 wrote:
amugs wrote:Winter Outlook - very and I mean very thorough write up - for SNE but noneltheless makes great points that has been the theme by many so far this winter - two halves - second half we surge and kick some arse!!

http://easternmassweather.blogspot.com/

In depth for sure great read I pretty much read what he thinks for us seems to be on track with what we discuss here
Very good read although I think his forecast for NY and Philly snow totals of 30-40'' are too low. If you go by the summer to winter AO/NAO couplet, I believe they will tank come the new year. With a strong sub tropical jet already in place... well you get the idea.I would increase snow totals upward 50%.
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Could happen from a godzilla or two!!

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Post by skinsfan1177 Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:47 pm

The way it sounds of winter starts late with snow we may just get like two weeks of unbievable snow I'll take it lol
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Post by amugs Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:57 pm

skinsfan1177 wrote:The way it sounds of winter starts late with snow we may just get like two weeks of unbelievable snow I'll take it lol

Not a late start - mid January or before if things start to happen which some models are trying to show but nothing exciting. Could be from mid Jan to Mid March as the AO and NAO are forecasted in the LR to be in a favorable indicy.
IF we go to the end of Jan with nothing happening (snow,cold, poor positioning of indicies) then it would be considered somewhat of a late start.

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Post by Quietace Thu Nov 12, 2015 7:00 pm

amugs wrote:
nutleyblizzard wrote:
skinsfan1177 wrote:
amugs wrote:Winter Outlook - very and I mean very thorough write up - for SNE but noneltheless makes great points that has been the theme by many so far this winter - two halves - second half we surge and kick some arse!!

http://easternmassweather.blogspot.com/

In depth for sure great read I pretty much read what he thinks for us seems to be on track with what we discuss here
Very good read although I think his forecast for NY and Philly snow totals of 30-40'' are too low. If you go by the summer to winter AO/NAO couplet, I believe they will tank come the new year. With a strong sub tropical jet already in place... well you get the idea.I would increase snow totals upward 50%.
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Could happen  from a godzilla or two!!
Or the STJ is so strong that most people outside high elevations are running between 33-40*F with R+
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Post by sroc4 Thu Nov 12, 2015 7:51 pm

Quietace wrote:
amugs wrote:
nutleyblizzard wrote:
skinsfan1177 wrote:
amugs wrote:Winter Outlook - very and I mean very thorough write up - for SNE but noneltheless makes great points that has been the theme by many so far this winter - two halves - second half we surge and kick some arse!!

http://easternmassweather.blogspot.com/

In depth for sure great read I pretty much read what he thinks for us seems to be on track with what we discuss here
Very good read although I think his forecast for NY and Philly snow totals of 30-40'' are too low. If you go by the summer to winter AO/NAO couplet, I believe they will tank come the new year. With a strong sub tropical jet already in place... well you get the idea.I would increase snow totals upward 50%.
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Could happen  from a godzilla or two!!
Or the STJ is so strong that most people outside high elevations are running between 33-40*F with R+

Umm Ryan regarding that R comment.......

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Post by amugs Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:51 pm

3.4 showed as peaking amd then cooling by Feb

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Post by Frank_Wx Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:03 pm

The long range looks horrific, but it was to be expected homestly. It just sucks that the boring weather pattern from the summer is carrying over into Met Fall. Check out the EURO weeklies.

Next week - temps possibly back in the 70s.

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Week 3 (Thanksgiving)

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And while week 4 isn't ideal...it's starting to look a little more Nino to me

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Post by amugs Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:07 pm

Look at this one t - giving week euro ensemble ripped off twitter wsi site

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Post by Frank_Wx Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:30 pm

amugs wrote:Look at this one t - giving week euro ensemble ripped off twitter wsi site

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If true, this is good news because the Alaskan Vortex would be displaced. However, verbatim our sensible weather would still be on the warm side. Too much energy is digging into the western U.S. leading to -PNA. Check out the weeklies I posted. They too show a ridge in the northeast Pac, but they do a better job showing the higher heights over the east.

It's progress though. This pattern won't change instantly. It's step down.

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Post by Snow88 Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:47 pm

Hurricane Schwartz is going with a really warm December and January with Winter really kicking into gear in February. He has 30-38 inches of snow for the winter for Philly.

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Post by Frank_Wx Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:49 pm

Snow88 wrote:Hurricane Schwartz is going with a really warm December and January with Winter really kicking into gear in February. He has 30-38 inches of snow for the winter for Philly.

http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/news&id=347073842&

+6 in January? I'm not seeing that whatsoever.

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Post by amugs Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:24 pm

Frank absoluetlybit would be a good improvement from its really putrid paternity we are in. I saw the weeklies and th eery look horrible. The ens mean I posted I would think is better from a forecast standpoint but who knows. Heck the -pna is and will change but we know the step down process heading into winter.

Schwartz is on Crack +6. Now way if the euro and Jamstec are right maybe +1 fir the month.

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Post by Snow88 Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:08 am

The overnight models were an improvement moving forward but it looks like the pattern would be transient.
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Post by Quietace Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:01 am

sroc4 wrote:
Quietace wrote:
amugs wrote:
nutleyblizzard wrote:
skinsfan1177 wrote:
amugs wrote:Winter Outlook - very and I mean very thorough write up - for SNE but noneltheless makes great points that has been the theme by many so far this winter - two halves - second half we surge and kick some arse!!

http://easternmassweather.blogspot.com/

In depth for sure great read I pretty much read what he thinks for us seems to be on track with what we discuss here
Very good read although I think his forecast for NY and Philly snow totals of 30-40'' are too low. If you go by the summer to winter AO/NAO couplet, I believe they will tank come the new year. With a strong sub tropical jet already in place... well you get the idea.I would increase snow totals upward 50%.
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Could happen  from a godzilla or two!!
Or the STJ is so strong that most people outside high elevations are running between 33-40*F with R+

Umm Ryan regarding that R comment.......
Scott its only the truth. But it seems....
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Post by sroc4 Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:35 am

lol! lol! lol! lol!

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