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Post by rb924119 Sat Jan 06, 2024 10:43 am

toople wrote:
rb924119 wrote:Just for the record, I know that I haven’t put out an official forecast map like Frank, but some personal friends asked me to look at the forecast for them, and I put out the following numbers based on my analysis and a couple hypotheses that I’m testing:

Allentown, PA: 7-11”
Northeastern PA (generally speaking north and west of Rt. 209): 11-17”

Now, we can generally extrapolate those boundaries for a rough idea for the rest of the area….

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Dark blue: 11” contour
Medium blue: 7” contour
Light blue: 3” contour

Again, this is only a rough approximation because I haven’t been able to do a full analysis. But at least it gives a very broad demonstration of what I’m thinking.

7 inches for Nutley NJ!?!? Well, I hope you’re right. 😃  Eitherway, thank you so much spending time watching the storm. I enjoy reading them.

I hope I’m right too! Haha and no problem! I’m glad that you enjoy reading all the posts and analysis from everybody - we enjoy it too Smile and if you learn a thing or two, that’s even better haha

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Post by rb924119 Sat Jan 06, 2024 10:46 am

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Post by essexcountypete Sat Jan 06, 2024 10:52 am

toople wrote:
rb924119 wrote:Just for the record, I know that I haven’t put out an official forecast map like Frank, but some personal friends asked me to look at the forecast for them, and I put out the following numbers based on my analysis and a couple hypotheses that I’m testing:

Allentown, PA: 7-11”
Northeastern PA (generally speaking north and west of Rt. 209): 11-17”

Now, we can generally extrapolate those boundaries for a rough idea for the rest of the area….

JAN 6th-7th Storm Part II - Page 10 Img_1915

Dark blue: 11” contour
Medium blue: 7” contour
Light blue: 3” contour

Again, this is only a rough approximation because I haven’t been able to do a full analysis. But at least it gives a very broad demonstration of what I’m thinking.

7 inches for Nutley NJ!?!? Well, I hope you’re right. 😃  Eitherway, thank you so much spending time watching the storm. I enjoy reading them.

Hey, another Nutley neighbor! We're in the zone of uncertainty here in eastern Essex County, aren't we? Each run has us just inside the sharp cutoff, or just outside. I swear we go from .5" on one run, and then 7" on the next. I'm afraid we're too close to the coastal plain and lack the elevation to stay all snow, but I guess we'll see.
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Post by toople Sat Jan 06, 2024 10:57 am

essexcountypete wrote:
toople wrote:
rb924119 wrote:Just for the record, I know that I haven’t put out an official forecast map like Frank, but some personal friends asked me to look at the forecast for them, and I put out the following numbers based on my analysis and a couple hypotheses that I’m testing:

Allentown, PA: 7-11”
Northeastern PA (generally speaking north and west of Rt. 209): 11-17”

Now, we can generally extrapolate those boundaries for a rough idea for the rest of the area….

JAN 6th-7th Storm Part II - Page 10 Img_1915

Dark blue: 11” contour
Medium blue: 7” contour
Light blue: 3” contour

Again, this is only a rough approximation because I haven’t been able to do a full analysis. But at least it gives a very broad demonstration of what I’m thinking.

7 inches for Nutley NJ!?!? Well, I hope you’re right. 😃  Eitherway, thank you so much spending time watching the storm. I enjoy reading them.

Hey, another Nutley neighbor! We're in the zone of uncertainty here in eastern Essex County, aren't we? Each run has us just inside the sharp cutoff, or just outside. I swear we go from .5" on one run, and then 7" on the next. I'm afraid we're too close to the coastal plain and lack the elevation to stay all snow, but I guess we'll see.

That’s exactly what I noticed too.  I’m so glad you said it.  It drives me crazy looking at each model run.  I’m not really expecting much here anyway.  I’m in a very low elevation.  I noticed NutleyBlizzard always measures snow higher than mine.  I think it has alot to do with microclimate because of variance of elevation but who knows?

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Post by docstox12 Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:02 am

toople you are spot on with elevations and microclimate.I am up on a hill over 700 feet and down below ,there is always a few inches less of snow.Once there was an ice storm up here and nothing below.A degree or two can make a difference.
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Post by toople Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:04 am

docstox12 wrote:toople you are spot on with elevations and microclimate.I am up on a hill over 700 feet and down below ,there is always a few inches less of snow.Once there was an ice storm up here and nothing below.A degree or two can make a difference.

I wish I’m in higher elevation or at least slightly higher.  Google Earth shows I’m only 60 feet.  It might be lower but I don’t remember. 😄

Edit: I actually mean my house is 60 feet


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Post by nutleyblizzard Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:05 am

essexcountypete wrote:
toople wrote:
rb924119 wrote:Just for the record, I know that I haven’t put out an official forecast map like Frank, but some personal friends asked me to look at the forecast for them, and I put out the following numbers based on my analysis and a couple hypotheses that I’m testing:

Allentown, PA: 7-11”
Northeastern PA (generally speaking north and west of Rt. 209): 11-17”

Now, we can generally extrapolate those boundaries for a rough idea for the rest of the area….

JAN 6th-7th Storm Part II - Page 10 Img_1915

Dark blue: 11” contour
Medium blue: 7” contour
Light blue: 3” contour

Again, this is only a rough approximation because I haven’t been able to do a full analysis. But at least it gives a very broad demonstration of what I’m thinking.

7 inches for Nutley NJ!?!? Well, I hope you’re right. 😃  Eitherway, thank you so much spending time watching the storm. I enjoy reading them.

Hey, another Nutley neighbor! We're in the zone of uncertainty here in eastern Essex County, aren't we? Each run has us just inside the sharp cutoff, or just outside. I swear we go from .5" on one run, and then 7" on the next. I'm afraid we're too close to the coastal plain and lack the elevation to stay all snow, but I guess we'll see.
That makes three of us. Glad I’m not the only snow nut in town! It’s down to nowcasting time. Let’s see where the rain/snow line sets up later this afternoon and evening. I think it’s a pretty sure bet we get a few inches but with the potential for more. Nutley is on the edge for warning criteria snows.
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Post by MattyICE Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:20 am

This looks to be well ahead of schedule timing wise. That frequently happens. In earlier, out quicker. Not sure what sort of implications that might have at the upper levels, but since it’s dynamic cooling by way of heavy rates that allows temps to stop from rising into the mid-30s, I wonder if a sooner onset can mitigate how high temps might have risen if it were a later onset. In a set up where every degree matters maybe I’m just grasping at straws. Lol.

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Post by jmanley32 Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:23 am

I heard irs snowing in western ct already so is it in ny?
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Post by amugs Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:24 am

Son in Wilmington reported light snow 5 minutes ago.

Bodes well for CAD.

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Post by toople Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:24 am

MattyICE wrote:This looks to be well ahead of schedule timing wise. That frequently happens. In earlier, out quicker. Not sure what sort of implications that might have at the upper levels, but since it’s dynamic cooling by way of heavy rates that allows temps to stop from rising into the mid-30s, I wonder if a sooner onset can mitigate how high temps might have risen if it were a later onset. In a set up where every degree matters maybe I’m just grasping at straws. Lol.


I don’t see anything yet here

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Post by rb924119 Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:26 am

jmanley32 wrote:I heard irs snowing in western ct already so is it in ny?

If it is, it’s just a stray flurry/snow shower - the column still has to saturate quite a bit before it really gets going.

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Post by jmanley32 Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:37 am

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jmanley32 wrote:I heard irs snowing in western ct already so is it in ny?

If it is, it’s just a stray flurry/snow shower - the column still has to saturate quite a bit before it really gets going.
yeah i saw radar not moving in until this afternoon. How much u think min and max imby b ray. Im in ur 7 inch zone i believe
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Post by rb924119 Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:43 am

First flurries here in NEPA.

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Post by rb924119 Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:43 am

jmanley32 wrote:
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jmanley32 wrote:I heard irs snowing in western ct already so is it in ny?

If it is, it’s just a stray flurry/snow shower - the column still has to saturate quite a bit before it really gets going.
yeah i saw radar not moving in until this afternoon. How much u think min and max imby b ray. Im in ur 7 inch zone i believe

I think you answered your own question hahaha 7-11”

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Post by heehaw453 Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:44 am

I'd much rather have this look than H pressure running off the Canadian coast. I'll take my chances with this setup.

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Post by heehaw453 Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:55 am

Our developing storm. Remember too the 50/50 also acts to compress height fields so that may help mitigate the southerly flow as the storm approaches.

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Post by frank 638 Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:58 am

heehaw453 wrote:I'd much rather have this look than H pressure running off the Canadian coast. I'll take my chances with this setup.

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I hope you guys in Long Island get some snow. I am driving to my best friends house in Lake Ronkonkoma. I noticed that when I just got to Suffolk County in Queens it was 37° right now I am by exit 51 on the LIE and it’s 35° maybe it’s a good sign.

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Post by Frank_Wx Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:07 pm

Current temps

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Current RH

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My final call snow map

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I did move the snow line S&E a bit. However, nothing in my thoughts changed with this being a mostly N&W Mothrazilla with pockets of 12”+ possible.


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Post by rb924119 Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:13 pm

Fair call, Frank! We’ll see how it verifies soon enough! Haha

FWIW 12z UKMET looks better than 00z.

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Post by heehaw453 Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:15 pm

16Z 850 temps analysis.  12Z 3k NAM is off. Not accounting for the CAD. May mean nothing when all is said and done, but we talked about the axis of snow 20-25 miles movement and how any subtle change can matter.

30.9/26.2 flurries turning into some very light snow...

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Post by frank 638 Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:16 pm

Good call Frank on the snow maps

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Post by heehaw453 Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:19 pm

Frank_Wx wrote:Current temps

JAN 6th-7th Storm Part II - Page 10 Img_6811

Current RH

JAN 6th-7th Storm Part II - Page 10 Img_6812

My final call snow map

JAN 6th-7th Storm Part II - Page 10 Img_6819

I did move the snow line S&E a bit. However, nothing in my thoughts changed with this being a mostly N&W Mothrazilla with pockets of 12”+ possible.


I think that looks good Frank. Thanks for making it! It's a lot of thought and back/forth type of thing.

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Post by MattyICE Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:26 pm

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MattyICE wrote:This looks to be well ahead of schedule timing wise. That frequently happens. In earlier, out quicker. Not sure what sort of implications that might have at the upper levels, but since it’s dynamic cooling by way of heavy rates that allows temps to stop from rising into the mid-30s, I wonder if a sooner onset can mitigate how high temps might have risen if it were a later onset. In a set up where every degree matters maybe I’m just grasping at straws. Lol.


I don’t see anything yet here

Hey! I grew up in Belleville. Now I’m Clifton! Yeah I should have been more clear. Certainly isn’t starting now. My only point want some guidance had it moving in around 4-6pm later. I think it comes in more like 2-4/3-5pm instead. We’re already pretty saturated so I don’t think we lose much to virga. And if it can snow at 3pm instead of 5pm that could shave a degree or two off of projected high temps.

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Post by heehaw453 Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:44 pm

30.2/27 light snow and it's sticking to all surfaces. It's now cast time folks.

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Post by CPcantmeasuresnow Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:47 pm

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jmanley32 wrote:
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jmanley32 wrote:I heard irs snowing in western ct already so is it in ny?

If it is, it’s just a stray flurry/snow shower - the column still has to saturate quite a bit before it really gets going.
yeah i saw radar not moving in until this afternoon. How much u think min and max imby b ray. Im in ur 7 inch zone i believe

I think you answered your own question hahaha 7-11”

I have to STRONGLY disagree with you here RB.

Jman is in Yonkers, southernmost Westchester, which is a stones throw from Central Park, maybe 7 miles geographically speaking. Don't lead him on thinking he will get 7-11 inches of snow. If he gets 2-4 there it will be a win IMO. If he gets more that would be great.

Just trying to save you from unrealistic expectations Jman, Drive safe.
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